Monty was 12? Andy: Well sometimes literally all day. In 2005, Andy Coulson was the award-winning editor of the News of the World, presiding over a culture of ruthless exploitation. And a whole lot of stuff happened at the News of the World which should not have happened during my time, and Im sorry about that because the impact of it on an awful lot of people was, the result of it was a lot of pain and a lot of hurt for people. Andy: It was boiling hot and it was a glorious summer, as I said. You talk about your wife, Eloise, and also your three sons. That Id go from one to the other in custody, if you like. Hoare speaking on Five Live, Drive, 3 September 2010. Youve got to be either black or white. Jane: And when they came to visit Belmarsh, because a lot of people listening to this will never have been to a Category A prison, even to visit, why is that your regret? Coulson married his wife, Eloise, in 2000. Gregg was born April 2, 1962, in Boston, Massachusetts, the son of Mary Layne (ne Shine) and Robert Clark Gregg Sr., an Episcopal priest and Stanford University professor. It is an audit on your life and your relationships and there were some people, I think, I expected more of them, if I can put it that way. Andy Coulson IBM z Specialist at IBM Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom 2K followers 500+ connections Join to connect IBM University of Wales, Cardiff About IBM Mainframe Systems and Security. I want to focus on what we dont know, which is obviously the theme of this podcast, and how you handled that crisis point of your life and, of course, the effect that it had on your family. And to have a prime minister on television, while my jury was still out, although theyd delivered a verdict on the intercepting communications, they hadnt delivered a verdict on another charge that was later dropped. So, I will blub at kids school plays Jeremy Bowen and I actually talked about exactly that. Jane: Well, talking of which, as a journalist, we also know the picture that everybody wants is of somebody in the prison van being taken away. The key to it, I think, with therapy is you have got to find the right person. You pull up and the gates open and you know youre going to prison, youre in no doubt that youre going to prison. Jane: In his memoir, David Cameron wrote that he was wrong to insist that you were innocent until proven guilty and that he should have removed you in 2010 until the scandal snowballed. And funnily enough, the governor, or the duty governor, pulled me out of the cell one night to ask me whether or not I was OK because he had read the report. It was all part of that experience, it's what you have got to lean on and you change and you evolve and I definitely got to that point by the time I got to prison. [22], On 21 July 2009 Coulson appeared in front of the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee and denied any knowledge of the phone hacking scandal, saying "my instructions to the staff were clear we did not use subterfuge of any kind unless there was a clear public interest in doing so. As a newspaper editor, its a weekly crisis, daily crisis when youre working on The Sun, which is of course where I spent most of my time, most of my career. So, I knew at that point that Id be going to prison and that was obviously not where I thought my life would take me. Age, Birthdate, Religion, and BirthPlace Read Also: Who is Ali Choupani Wiki, Biography, Age, Spouse, Net Worth Prison is a, very obviously, stark place but it is also packed with emotion. Where did the resilience come from, do you think, to deal with that? Were going to put you to work. [16][17] This trial started on 11 May 2015 because of the general election. And prison is the ultimate leveller. And that was corrosive. I ran it as a campaign in my head and I had charts on the wall, at one stage the house was literally full of files. Again, that came out in a previous podcast, I think with Jeremy. Jane: So how did you find out, or when did you find out that you were being moved? Responsibility for the monitoring, control and mitigation of Conduct Risk for the Group. [60][61], Coulson was to face a retrial, together with the News of the World's former royal editor Clive Goodman, after the jury failed to agree a verdict on two other charges of conspiring to cause misconduct in public office in relation to the alleged purchase of confidential royal phone directories in 2005 from a palace police officer. Youve got to find your match and Ive definitely done that. And as a result of that I met a large number of prisoners because I was helping them put their CVs together. Andy: Yeah, I dont wear it like a badge but I dont hide it because its true and theres nothing I can do about it now. [19], Coulson grew up in Wickford, Essex. Almost from the start of the trial, actually, because the profile of the trial was so high. Andy: There were a lot of politics in it. And the only way to deal with it was to take one at a time and that is another common theme that has been coming out in these podcasts, that when you are in crisis, dont try and take control of everything. Pic credit: CBS. The two others, well one of them got dropped and one I was acquitted, but thats the system. I got my head around it pretty quickly and what I kind of understood fairly swiftly is that the thing that should make you nervous about being in prison is violence, obviously. As director of communications for the Conservatives he does an excellent job in a proper, upright way at all times. I say that because I have been so completely blown away by the support and friendship that Ive had from people who, frankly, owed me nothing. I told Eloise and we had discussed it before I went into prison, at what point did we think Id need to see the boys and theyd need to see me, and wed reached that point. Funny, at least for the first 10 times. Its a very long Victorian corridor full of very old Victorian cells in which there have been some very famous and very notorious criminals over the years. Jane: Did you attempt to draw perspective from other sources? Thats a memory I didnt want my boys to have and I regret that. Beginning the Entrepreneurial Journey. And when you see young men being separated from their families in that way, it is profoundly depressing. So I did. Jane: As you say, its high security for a reason, because there are some pretty serious criminals in there. [27], After David Cameron became Prime Minister in May 2010, he appointed Coulson as Director of Communications for the government at 10 Downing Street. Everything is there in that book and its a cracking read. All I know is that when I took the job, actually, I said to him, Im taking this job, David, on the basis that I will not go into Downing Street because that was the deal Id done with Eloise. Andys been upfront about that aspect of his CV during this podcast series and, indeed, has talked openly with his former prison mate, the England cricketer Chris Lewis, but hes never discussed his own crisis in any depth, until now. I spent five years talking about it. The Coulson Brothers - Mills Brothers Medley -Bass Guitar & Vocals - Curt CoulsonLead Guitar & Vocals - Jack CoulsonKeyboards & Vocals - Otis CliftonDrums & . Thats why I love podcasting, actually, its that its not a formal interview process, its a conversation. I think Ive been up and down that mountain and that I think is a good and useful thing for my clients. When were your darkest days? Andy: Yeah, there came a point where I was told pretty formally, youre not going anywhere. Its an unnatural thing to do to relive your life and, by the way, if all you are doing is reliving your life through a negative prism, its a fundamentally unhealthy thing to do. Coulson Brothers now has the largest capacity on the Muskoka lakes, with five barges capable of transporting any size or weight. Its a wine called Chateau Musar and its from the Lebanon and I chose it because it is really tasty and also because it is liquid proof that there is good to come from crisis, given where this wine is made. September 18, 2020. And it was, it was a much better regime. And that was partly necessary, just from a practical point of view, but it was also definitely a coping mechanism as well. And I thought, this is just hopeless, Im his Director of Communications and Im learning things in the paper. But first and foremost it was a professional relationship and thats exactly what I wanted it to be and he wanted it to be. Andy: Yeah, always. Which do you think it was? I was encouraged to stay but I just felt from a practical point of view, because I am of course a resigning recidivist, much in the same way as I felt when I was at the News of the World, how on Earth am I able to sit here and write a leader, criticising that outrage thing again, criticising a politician when Ive got a reporter sat in jail? I suppose because the thing was so public and had been so long running, Ellie and I took the view that we werent going to try and attempt to hide any of it from them. Trusted, high impact counsel, campaigns and crisis management for leaders, from Andy Coulson, Jon Steafel, Susan Adams and team. I thought I was due what everyone was due in that kind of situation. Jane: So, you pitch up at Category A prison HMP Belmarsh. And then before you know it, I live a way away from London, finally we got in and I had a final meeting with my lawyers. Andy: Yeah, my view was that they had absolutely every right to be at the end of my drive and they had every right to try and get a picture of me and I had every right to avoid it. Andy: Its a wretched moment and you know immediately really that youre going to be going to prison. In David Cameron: The Conservative-Liberal Democratic coalition government Andy Coulson, Cameron's communications chief, had already left that post in January of the same year in the wake of the growing evidence tying him to the scandal. Theres a door that youre going to go through. Big Brother 15 winner Andy Herren has never been shy about sharing his opinion on social media. So I rang him and we had a conversation and that led me to say: Look, youve got plenty of friends in your life, you dont need any more friends, thats not what this is about, but if this is going to work we do need to be straight with each other with what you are trying to do here. Coulson was name-checked by Alan Partridge (Steve Coogan) in an episode of This Time with Alan Partridge (Series 02, Episode 02) during an introduction to a segment about law and order. We were doing, it sounds ridiculous, Dragons Den presentations of ideas for what they were going to do when they got released, and mock interviews. And then before you know it youre back in court with a suitcase, waiting to find out how long youre going to go to prison for. The judge added that it was for him, and not the jury, to decide on this aspect of the case and that the Crown's legal submissions had failed to satisfy him that Coulson's evidence had been sufficiently relevant to the Sheridan trial. Its hopeless. Coulson, who now runs a successful strategy business, talks candidly and honestly about his regrets, resilience and recovery. I knew that Eloise would have read it and I knew that my mum would have read it. And before I knew it, because its down underneath the Old Bailey where you get on the bus, you then go up a ramp and it was a gloriously sunny day, July the fourth, ironically enough, Independence Day 2014. And I have to say that we never had any problems. Andy Coulson, the former newspaper editor and Downing Street spokesperson jailed on phone hacking charges, revealed that he has built a new career as a crisis strategy consultant - and "business. And keep the smile on my face and move myself and my family forward every day, which is exactly what we do, its exactly our attitude. Ive never been through what youve been through, but a lot of people when they have a day or whatever, you think about other people who are worse off than you. [21] BirthName, Nickname, and Profession So first, let's take a look at some personal details of Andy, like name, nickname, and profession. People treated us with respect and we did the same. My brother was there and one of my best pals, Kris, and there was a lot of manly hugging and goodbyes. I think that we are all stronger for it. [13] He was sentenced on 4 July 2014 to 18 months in prison. Ask me if I felt I should have been convicted and the answer is obviously no because I pleaded not guilty. (listen here). Its definitely true of The Pickwick Papers because youve got politics, youve got the law, youve got prison, youve got journalism. So thats how I spent quite a bit of my time there. There are probably people out there who maybe even think worse, but there is nothing I can do about that. I think it is partly chemistry and I think its partly experience and I have got a lot of crisis experience from a professional point of view. 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