[9] Above is a disused portion of a mezzanine and an unfinished upper level station. But what this plan does is allow for a new and better city to grow around the line rather than be divided by it. Maybe Im reading too much into the zip code graphs but they both indicate that the majority of jobs in midtown Manhattan are in the center and western parts, not to the east. The junction is built awkwardly where the tunnels are twisting in such a way to become bi-level. After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. Most of southeast Brooklyn is built out already, the new development would require upzoning and will take time. [18], On November 22, 1920, the first portion of the IRT New Lots Line opened between Utica Avenue and Junius Street opened on November 22, 1920, with shuttle trains operating over this route. [22] This is the easternmost underground and four-track subway station on the Eastern Parkway Line; to the east (railroad south) of here, the local tracks rises and become the IRT New Lots Line, while the express tracks end at bumper blocks just under Ralph Avenue. Flatbush Av-Brooklyn College is 2338 yards away, 28 min walk. When would you see it converted to that? The Livonia Avenue branch line, known as Route No. In fact I am writing this today because I want to get ahead of whatever the official plan might state; I have very little faith in MTA planners and I feel that anything they release will be overly designed in a way so that its D.O.A. The subway itself would run straight down Utica Ave with potential stations at Empire Blvd, Linden Blvd-Church Ave and Clarendon Rd. Nice ideas so far! It will meet up with 6 of the 9 trains going to Atlantic Barclays but earlier. The station listings are extremely far apart to where it barely serves any local communities on the route. This would be the beginning of the IND plan which would ultimately propose extending a branch of the 6th Ave Subway through Williamsburg and down Utica Ave. This is to avoid overcrowding issues at Franklin/Nevins, and to provide more alternatives along each corridor. Also major problem. Yet youd have it built to B division clearances. [17] On August 23, 1920, the Eastern Parkway Line was extended from Atlantic Avenue to Crown HeightsUtica Avenue, with the Utica Avenue station opening at this time. A, the train is smaller, making it able for more stations. Other sources indicate that the unused level at Fulton St.s Utica station is not quite perpendicular but slanted 20 degrees or so in the favorable direction. Alon Levy did a back-of-the-napkin estimate of how much a mostly elevated line would cost and found it a better cost per rider than even 2nd Ave. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity. The full-time side at the eastern (railroad south) end has two staircases from each platform going up to a crossover (the western ones go up to a ramp that leads to the main fare control area), where a turnstile bank and two exit-only turnstiles provide access to and from the station. Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. Contract 2 extended the original line from City Hall in Manhattan to Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. (Plans for a Utica Ave. subway in 1969 involved extending the IRT instead of the IND.) The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. At Utica Avenue, provisions were made for a transfer to the proposed Utica Ave line. Extensions of the IRT subway east or south of the station have been proposed since the line's planning in the 1910s, which included terminating the line at Buffalo Avenue just east of the station, or extending the line down Utica Avenue towards Flatbush Avenue and Avenue U near Kings Plaza. Im not opposed to interlining but given the unique layout of the Rogers Junction the only affordable option is to segregate the services. Between Fulton St and Eastern Parkway the crest of the ridge which runs along Long Island rises 52 feet. Lets get it built! On the opposite side, from Eastern Parkway to Empire Blvd, the slope descends 66 feet. Queens Blvd is one of the busiest trunk lines in the city, so its definitely a second on the priority list, and even with East Side Access the MTA has set aside room to build the connecting tracks for the Bypass. hunting lodge motif with crossbeams. [7] The first section opened on January 9, 1908, extending the subway from Bowling Green to Borough Hall. Few problems. Besides, with Utica so far out it would be much better service to have express trains rather than a longer local train. . Although not in the official report, soon after it was proposed to connect 14th St to Utica Ave. [23], The station's full-time exit is at the east end (railroad south) of the platforms. I highly disagree with connecting SAS to Nassau. An additional part of the project would be to create a better terminal at Flatbush Ave-Brooklyn College. A BMT/IND line would cost more because its farther away, meaning more track mileage and a bigger cost, possibly raising the Metrocard fare to $3.00 for one ride. Most of the subway system in New York City no longer has that feel . W 34 St and 7th Ave, W 33 St and 7th Ave, W 32 St and 7th Ave. One island platform, two side platforms. With it both 2/3 trains would only go to Brooklyn College while 5 trains would serve the local stations, Nostrand Ave, Kingston Ave, and Utica Ave before turning south to Kings Plaza, while 4 trains would stay express to Utica Ave and take over service to New Lots. Building an elevated line designed to integrate into the built landscape rather than dominate it, while not new, is novel and one that will need time for the public to come round to. There seems to me to be two sections of this plan: the Worth St-South 4th-Stuyvesant Ave section and the Utica Ave section. Well, actually its curving away but Ave H avoid the curve and take you to it at Albany Ave. And from that point its all residential and there are no freight sidings. are refurbished as well as adopted in new construction. IF you really wanted to have a branch off of Fulton then the construction would not be as simple as you suggest. There is another part of the IND plan which, as far as I can tell, no one has figured out or brought up yet. want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. I chose to believe that rerouting the B/D to Williamsburg opens up far more possibilities. no, i only looked at pictures, ill look at post now LOL. And why tear down the whole Broadway EL? Its more of a nice-to-have thing, but all that needs to be fixed is Myrtle Interlocking and the curve at Cypress Hills, which are 1000x more cheaper. why did you completely destroy the jamaica line, cant we just make a 3/4 line extension? The station spacing was done to keep costs down. So thats what the future holds: deep tunnels and expensive stations. el structures around Broadway Junction. Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. And theres no room there for it. Im more in support of an IRT Utica Avenue subway and now you made a Rogers Junction plan clear. This is the level of transit that buses provide for a fraction of the cost. The New Lots branch of the IRT ascends to the surface right after it leaves Eastern Parkway (due very much to the terrain) and it would make sense that the IRT would have the Utica Line do the same. When looking at your plans for Utica Avenue, you seem to only put emphasize on what the area is like now and not in the future. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. Also as Vanshookenraggen stated, the IND Utica Av Station will have to be teared up and relocated. Same with Crown Heights-Utica Av. But whats your obsession with rerouting the 6th Ave Express to replace (J)/(M) trains? Charlestown USA Outlet Mall (Utica) This old, abandoned, former mill site was once one of the first shopping centers to locate in the Mohawk Valley. Also, Utica Av(or Malcolm X Blvd because a BMT Line is past Fulton St)becomes smaller past Fulton St, so instead of one lane being ripped up, a whole street would be ripped up, causing the B46 to be detoured north of Fulton St. An elevated line would be a bad idea too, because north of Fulton St is just 2-story Pre-War homes, and the rooftops are around the same height as the tracks. I would extend the (2)/(5) to Voorhies, with a possible skip-stop to speed up commutes.Otherwise, I agree that this is option MTA will opt for most. The application was approved, and the IRT extension opened on May 1, 1908. On the Utica Ave. subway, a half-baked idea with no champion written by Benjamin Kabak February 28, 2017 The Utica Ave. subway extension has once again disappeared into the ether of New York City politics. Despite this residents of southern and southeastern Brooklyn would continually oppose any plan that involved elevated trains (even extensions of the Nostrand Ave Line as an elevated were blocked). In fact Id discount any curve adjacent to a station by about 50%. The Independent Subway System (IND or ISS), formerly known as the Independent City-Owned Subway System (ICOSS) or the Independent City-Owned Rapid Transit Railroad (ICORTR), was a rapid transit rail system in New York City that is now part of the New York City Subway. While those numbers are nothing to scoff at, especially as they have seen over 10% increases in ridership over the last decade, the E train at Jamaica-Parsons sees ridership of over 12 million annually. Last but not least, are the 2 and 3 doing skip stop? That gives you much more cacapity to work with than just the 10 tph you be stuck with via your plan (assuming you mean to have it be the Queens Blvd branch of 2nd Ave). 5. But you are right, at G/J/M/Z transfer would be best! And also, what will take the (B)s place as the Brighton Express? Atlantic-Barclays, now thats interesting. Maybe place one of the Ls tracks in the cut and the other over it at street level? There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. The storage/layup tracks ends with bumper blocks on both ends, with a switch to the northbound express track on its west end and a switch to the southbound express track on the east end.[8][7]. We dont need to build out some perfect system when IRT is good enough. The upper level at Utica Ave station on the Fulton Line would be used but only half of the existing structure would be needed since the modern line would be two tracks. [24] It consists of ceramic tiles of the sun and moon on the platform walls. This would boost capacity and turn around time on the entire 7th Ave express line. Yes, and I mentioned that in the article. I do like the general arc of this post, although there is one bit I find a bit questionable; > Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. Some of the old trolley poles are still there! It looks to be about two miles long. The line's section to Atlantic Avenue was part of Contract 2 of the Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT)'s plan to construct an extension of the original subway, Contract 1. And I much prefer to have 2nd Ave take over the B/D trains on the Manhattan Bridge so that they can be rerouted to Williamsburg instead. Allows handicap access via one elevator instead of three. So that means that you are going to build a trunk line that is supposed to take pressure off the L that can only run 10-12tph. Perhaps you are discounting the Fulton St. 4. Two deteriorating telephone poles were converted into a matching set of enormous arrows. NEW YORK, NY - Police are seeking a man who allegedly exposed himself and performed a 'lewd act' in the presence of a 21-year-old female subway passenger. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. Now we know late nights the 3/5 dont run in Brooklyn. I agree with you that IRT was sized small for a reason, Tyler. Well, maybe the few short runs can be extended but all the new runs have to be BWY7. Gov. Construction commenced on Contract 2 on March 4, 1903. But can a three way switch be built between Nostrand, President, and Franklin? Remember any from of transit is only used when planning for the future such as the L train renovations and Clark tunnel reconstruction. Would it be possible to connect the Utica Avenue like with the Fulton Street line? Now during service changes where the 2/3 arent running to Bkyln, the 4 will serve Flatbush, the 5 will go to Utica, and a shuttle will run from Utica to New Lots. still hanging up there and apparently needing the dead space over ENY Renovations added looping maroon tile patterns at the mezzanine level, as well as the platform's floor pattern. [19][20], In 1981, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority listed the station among the 69 most deteriorated stations in the subway system. Not that it would do anything for tunnel though. On narrow right of way, place one track at ground level and the other above. Given the history of cost overruns and delays that the MTA is infamous for it seems foolish to build a project which requires so many moving parts even before the most important section can be built. 3 trains dont go to Brooklyn late nights. One of the main reasons that the City wanted to build the IND was to replace the existing elevated lines which were old, slow, and unpopular as they cast streets in shadow and soot. And this is exactly what you or I would do in their shoes. The transit desert is along Utica Ave south of Eastern Parkway. The problem here is between these two streets one lane will have to be teared up and bus stops will have to be relocated and detoured, which messes up a lot of commuters daily travel. Excellent nonetheless. IRT Utica would run express by default and be a much quicker commute (not to mention better transfer options at Atlantic Ave.) As you stated CBTC will boost frequency a bit more but those are all other projects that need to be done first. The Manhattan-bound platform has its metalwork painted in golden yellow and the tiles beneath the trim line in dark blue. In addition, a two-track branch line along Nostrand Avenue branching off east of the Franklin Avenue station was to be constructed. The station's other fare control area has two staircases going down to each platform, a crossover, part-time turnstile bank and customer assistance booth, high entry/exit turnstiles that provide full-time access to and from the station, and two staircases going up to either side of Fulton Street between Stuyvesant and Schenectady Avenues. But thats not necessarily for the bad. The second is a simple addition of new switches which is what Im going with. Then a tunnel would have to be built from Fulton to Eastern Pkwy, where the tunnel would have to be built directly under the 3/4, then a steep incline from Eastern Pkwy to Empire Blvd, so a portal could be built for the elevated line to Kings Plaza. 1135 Eastern Parkway. The other spur would have led up Myrtle Ave. where the line would split again. February 10, 2019 12:27pm Mark Mellone A woman was in critical condition after she ended up under a train at the Utica Avenue subway early Sunday morning, cops said. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. When the IRT built the Eastern Parkway Line between 1915 and 1918 they built into it a provision for a future branch down Utica Ave (the IRT, in fact, built its entire Brooklyn section with many provisions for future expansion that either never happened or ended up being built by a competing company). Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. This configuration would have other benefits as the riders who are now coming from furthest away have default express trips while the 7th Ave Express-Eastern Parkway Local 2/3 trains can now have more even headways, reducing delays. In 2001, an empty lot at Avenue N and Utica Avenue marked a trolley layup area that still hadn't been built on. [2] It is also served by the B46 and B46 SBS bus lines. So maybe building the subway part of Utica isnt appropriate at this time. Go for a The Fulton route would have a bottleneck closer in at the crossings around Hoyt-Schermerhorn. much cheaper and fits the mtas little goes a long way attitude. Fake it. From a strictly design point of view there are two main reasons that Utica has never gotten off the drawing boards. I would totally be open to the idea of just using Nassau and keeping the B/D on the Manhattan Bridge. This would also take relief off of the (B)/(Q) trains to the west. Remember, the Astoria line was originally built to IRT standards but was converted to BMT loading gauge (by shaving the wooden platforms) so that the N/R (depending on the era) could go direct to Astoria. Abandoned 9th Avenue Subway Station. Even before revenue service or full tunnels were dug the six-track station was a relic of another era. By the early 1920s, its population had swelled to more than 10,000. Why is it diverging to face the Bay Ridge Branch? We dont need to tear down the EL. The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. This station is compliant with the 1990 Americans With Disabilities Act. The IRT built their Utica Ave station west of Utica Ave with turnouts in the track walls so that a branch could split. And this angle within the station level might be improved if it were to be reworked for two tracks instead of four with no fresh excavation needed. The door had some panels missing, and whenever open, a look into the door revealed the unfinished upper level station. Some of your points might show good benefits of IRT use but only in part. Checking schedules for the A and C tells me that they max out at 17, leaving 9 slots for Utica St. service. Despite his influence as Senate Majority Leader, the Utica Avenue subway may never leave the station. This seems right as Fulton intersects cross-streets at that angle. Merchant groups arent going to sue you for driving their business away. Crown Heights Utica Avenue Station. Are you saying that IRT cant handle the demand? Transfer the money (like it exists!) The point is that focusing on just the Utica Ave section alone could make this project shovel ready while 2nd Ave Phase 3 is still a pipe dream. The station opened on August 23, 1920, as part of an extension of the IRT Eastern Parkway Line by the Interborough Rapid Transit Company. There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. Arent they doing A, closer station spacing, only holds against full-length express trains. It is actually located between Schenectady and Utica Avenues and the two exits lead to the middle of the block, several feet from the actual cross street. Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. The two street stairs here lead to either mall of Eastern Parkway west of Utica Avenue. The big attraction to politicians of boring subways instead of cut-and-cover is that it removes so much uncertainty. Just skip it. Then Utica can fulfill both roles but as of now the only important section is south of Eastern Parkway. I grant you C outright; shorter trains being more maneuverable in yards. Or just stay on your train. Four side platforms. Emergency responders rushed to the A/C . Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 6 tracks, with four island platforms. Building a subway in these conditions means having to deal with tunnel flooding more so than normal and flooding means corrosion. Its not a great idea but I was going off what I heard. These look less industrial than plain 1,2. More complicated than it needs to be. A lower cost solution to your previous Its a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. 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